foxtrapper
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Posted - 06/06/2006 :  5:39:26 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Edit Topic  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Topic
What is a rebounding hammer

Tycer
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Posted - 06/06/2006 :  6:23:37 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Edit Reply  Send Tycer an AOL message  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
The face of a rebounding hammer on Win 94s does not touch anything after striking. It "rebounds" off the block. I think most folks' complaint is the trigger has a loooonnng pull and feels odd to those of us who have other leverguns.

Thanks from the beautiful Blue Ridge Mountains,
Tycer
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savage99
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Posted - 06/06/2006 :  6:31:20 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
It's used to describe the crappy hammer on the later winchester leverguns..I believe from my own observations that it's supposed to keep the hammer off the firing pin when the hammer is in the uncocked position..It's a lawyer proof addition to a problem that never was....the bad thing is that it causes a half inch of slack in the trigger that can't be fixed without replacing the lower tang with a earlier make...you'll also notice the lack of a half cock feature the new and improved hammer design lacks....


I might have missed a few points maybe somebody will fill in the blanks..

Robert......I see Tycer beat me to it...

Edited by - savage99 on 06/06/2006 6:33:41 PM
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Hagler
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Posted - 06/06/2006 :  10:37:02 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
foxtrapper,

To add to this, the regular, original hammer & spring were just that: a hammer & spring opposing each other in a back-and-forth manner, like this:



The rebounding type takes away the "half-cock" notch that was around for a hundred years, and forces the hammer backward a bit, so it can never accidentally touch the firing pin. The rebounding hammer has an extra notch under it, and the spring strut has an extra prong on it, like this:



This statement may help you understand the rebounding hammer:

"To better understand the trigger and hammer function of the modern 94, please click on the thumbnail in figure 2. Study the lower tang assembly. Note the hammer spring guide rod with a two prong fork on the forward end (left) retains the coil mainspring. Note the two indentations on the rear of the hammer. The two prongs of the hammer spring guide rod ride in those two indentations. When the hammer is cocked, the pivoting action of the hammer causes only the top prong of the hammer spring guide rod to engage the hammer. The distance (leverage) from the hinge pin to drive the hammer forward is sufficient to drive the hammer forward and strike the firing pin. When the hammer is cocked, the pressure on the upper part of the hammer is much like that of any hammer and spring combination. Cocking the hammer also engages the sear, which holds the hammer in the full cock position until the trigger is pulled. There is no half-cock notch on this rifle and there is no need for one as long as we do not modify the design of the trigger and hammer."

Here are two very good articles (from which I pilfered the above pictures & info) about those two 94 trigger types:

http://www.castbullet.com/misc/tdown.htm

...from our own Junior.

http://www.time-slice.com/mohave.gambler/favorites/LeverGuns/Winchester94.htm

There is a third, older spring arangement that uses two, later one, flat, curved, leaf spring.

Shawn


"That's right, Billy, I'm good with it. I hit what I shoot at, and I'm fast!"-Lucas McCain, c1882.
 

Edited by - Hagler on 06/06/2006 10:40:46 PM